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Living the Nightmare! Special FX Makeup Artist, Tracey Jane


1st February Episode


This week I’m speaking with Tracey Jane. Amongst other things, a pregnancy at 18 meant that Tracey took some time to find her career passion. When her son was just three, she opened her own successful business, but a brush with death made her realise it was time to follow a dream for herself. Tracey is now a make-up and special effect working in film, with a current focus on the horror genre.



[00:00:00] Kristin: Hi Tracy. Thank you for joining me today. How are you?

[00:00:02] Tracey: I'm fine. Thank you.

[00:00:03] Kristin: I'm really excited to chat with you about your fairly recent career changes. Thank you for being here to talk about it.

[00:00:10] Tracey: Yeah, it is recent, but I've been working towards it for quite a long time now.

[00:00:14] Kristin: So let's go back a little bit and tell me a little bit about, where you grew up and I don't want to say career even just, what did you think you were going to do with your life?

[00:00:22] Tracey: well, I grew up in Southeast London. And to be honest, I wasn't really too sure. You know, You're at school is coming up, so it's time to leave and I didn't really know what I wanted. I ended up going into the travel industry, but it wasn't really what I wanted, you know, sitting in an office all day and then drifted in and out of sort of jobs, nothing really important.

[00:00:42] Kristin: it's so ironic when people go into the travel industry, because obviously there's a draw there with, the world travel, that kind of thing. And you end up in an office all day.

[00:00:51] Tracey: Yes. Yes. It's not what people think. I was a YTS trainee. And the idea was that we went on different holidays, to view the hotel and things like that. But most of the time you sit in there answering the phone and, you know, trying to book tickets And yeah. Sitting behind a desk, which was quite hard for me. And then I fell pregnant when I was just 18. So obviously that sort of stopped any work for awhile. I ended up being a single parent, quite young, going back to college. Retraining to be a nursery teacher to work in childcare. And yeah, it went from there. I ended up opening up my own children's day nursery

after school club and I'd done that quite well for 11 years and off to work I went one day and I didn't feel very well. And I said to my mom, I'm going to go back home. And I got indoors. I collapsed. I ended up in hospital having emergency surgery. I had k idney failure and they give me five years for transplant and I'm in my 11th year with no transplant, just, lucky, changing diet, being more healthy.

But when I was in hospital, I was there for six weeks and I thought to myself, is this really what I want to do? And I decided to sell my nursery. I phoned up the agency while I was in hospital, sold my business and went back into retraining.

[00:02:15] Kristin: I'm going to go back a little ways it's interesting to me that you opened up your own nursery as a single mom. When, did you originally think childcare because, obviously you had a child and it seemed a natural progression or why did you end up going that route?

[00:02:32] Tracey: And so it was when my son started nursing. And I went in as a voluntary parents to help. And the nursery teacher said to me, you're really good at this with good children. Why don't you go and learn and get paid for it? So I thought, yeah, okay. Working in a school, you know, I still get to some holidays off and it really fit in well with my son.

But by the time I quantified, I realized that I was really quite good at what I was doing. And. I worked towards... I think it took me about two years And, then I opened up my own preschool once I qualified.

[00:03:05] Kristin: And when you were actually doing it before you had a very life-changing event, were you happy doing it? Was it something that.

[00:03:11] Tracey: Oh my job. I loved my job. I loved working for kids and yeah, some great times. Yeah, it was just really good. It was just the fact that I'd done that to, you know, for my children to grow up. My oldest son is 30 this year. So for me it was something more about I'm going to do something for me.

[00:03:28] Kristin: So you're in the hospital and they're telling you, you have five years basically to live.

[00:03:32] Tracey: So when I arrived at the hospital, my kidney was about to burst and so they couldn't actually put me to sleep. They operate on me when I was awake and they cut me open. And

yeah,

[00:03:45] Kristin: I'm thinking, I know what we're going to talk about your career is now. It sounds like you were living that career in the hospital, but I won't get to

that.

[00:03:53] Tracey: They, when they cut me open to put a tube in, it was such, it was a shock and my heart stopped.

[00:03:58] Kristin: Literally

[00:03:59] Tracey: yeah it, no, it is. I just remember hearing it's really strange cause I was still conscious. And I remember hearing him say no, no, I've got her it's. Okay. But I think he might've just been the shock of, oh my gosh, what's happening.

It was shock.

[00:04:14] Kristin: Wow.

[00:04:15] Tracey: Yeah. Yeah

[00:04:16] Kristin: Okay. So they have to put this tube in and they've told you five years, right?

[00:04:20] Tracey: Yes. For a transplant..

[00:04:22] Kristin: So how does that work? It's like, you're really ill. You need this transplant, but you just go home and wait,

[00:04:28] Tracey: yeah I was there for six weeks. I actually discharged myself because it was just before Christmas Eve, and I wanted to go home and see my children. They wanted me to stay, but, I felt okay. And I had to go back afterwards. I went with my mom and we were sitting there and that's when they said to me need a transplant.

And I was just like, no, that's not how. It's just not happening. That was it.

[00:04:49] Kristin: So as the opportunity come up, that you could have had a transplant, have there been kidneys available or is it just something that you've decided.

[00:04:57] Tracey: from that moment, I just sort of, I don't know, so I've actually got plastic tube for my kidney down to. And it's just hard to explain. I think it's mental attitude as well. You know, you start looking after yourself a lot better than what you do and they can't explain it. They've just said, basically I'm a walking miracle. I don't know why, you know, it's sort of reversed and I've left it at that.

[00:05:21] Kristin: And so at this point, are they not even encouraging you to get a

[00:05:24] Tracey: No, I don't

[00:05:25] Kristin: just, if the.

[00:05:27] Tracey: That's why I don't understand it myself. I just, think I'm really lucky.

[00:05:31] Kristin: And obviously this did give you a new lease on life. So you've started pursuing

[00:05:36] Tracey: Definitely. I mean, you know, it's, you're that close to death and it's like, hold on a minute. I just need to make sure the rest of my life is going to make me happy and, That's why I don't just changed everything. It was just that decision that that's it.

[00:05:51] Kristin: So you closed the nursery and

[00:05:53] Tracey: I saw

Sold the nursery. I took a year off. I went into retraining. I started off doing hairdressing cause my youngest son was still quite young. I've done hair dressing, number one, then I've done beauty therapy.

So I've qualified to level three throughout hairdressing beauty therapy and special effects. So it took me five years to train and study.

[00:06:16] Kristin: So as you're going through beauty, I'm thinking about all this beauty thing and everything is, to try to feel better, to look better. And then you go into special effects, which is a very different kind of world a

[00:06:29] Tracey: but it all links together because if you go in into sort of special effects, you need to know about the products you're using. don't want to put something on someone's skin, what's going to irritate them. You get more knowledge from doing beauty therapy, you actually doing the special effects industry. I literally don't really focus on that.

So it's good to to have all that knowledge, but also my son being so young, it sort of fill ed time up for when I could actually get to where I wanted to

[00:06:53] Kristin: And were you going in and out where you were working a bit and then going back to studying.

[00:06:57] Tracey: Um, no, I literally spent five years studying training. I'll go off and do people's hair, usually treatments, you know, for a little bit of money of support study. So it was pure studying.

for five years.

[00:07:11] Kristin: I love studying if I could just study all the time, that might be what I would do. Always learning something new, but I mean, as far as raising three kids and, putting yourself through school how were you balancing on.

[00:07:27] Tracey: I think that obviously from having a nursery, it's sort of, around that environment all their life. They've seen you sit there working, children's records, making policies. So it's just the same for me. It's not being any different. The only time it does sort of changed bit is to some holidays where I'm not, I'm not doing anything because I spend so much time for a year doing other things.

I take that timeoff for my children.

[00:07:51] Kristin: And then even financially, as far as supporting yourself and everything was that a challenge was

[00:07:57] Tracey: Oh, yeah. I still change, you know? I'm quite lucky. Um, I've got good support around me.

[00:08:02] Kristin: How long ago was it that you finished with your SFX training?

[00:08:06] Tracey: it's been a few years, probably about four years now. So once I finished all that, I did take a bit time out because I'd studied five years. And then I sort of slowly started work and jobs And yeah it sort of went from there.

[00:08:19] Kristin: What's been so far, what kind of challenges have you faced? Especially as a second career ?

[00:08:24] Tracey: Um, I wasn't worried, you know, being older coming into the industry, but it's not been an issue. I'm actually dyslexic, so that's probably been the issue for me. I think I could have done a lot better with social media putting myself out a bit more. And so that's been a sort of a difficult.

And apart from that, everything sort of really flowing smoothly at the moment.

[00:08:45] Kristin: You mentioned to me before about being dyslexic. And I was wondering, is that something that you've only discovered as an adult, or is it something that you knew about when you

were younger?

[00:08:53] Tracey: I think I

I think I kind of knew when I was growing up, but it wasn't picked up until I actually went back to college after having my son. It was a teacher who picked you up and she got me some help. And I had, I think probably that six months one-to-one with a teacher to help me sort of go through my

[00:09:11] Kristin: Yeah, it's interesting. I'm just bringing that up because I do feel like it's something now. I know my partner was just, he just went to university recently and it was something that was picked up through university as well. And I just always wonder, you know, how your life or his life or so many people that have had these difficulties that that haven't been picked up on.

[00:09:29] Tracey: And I think, Yeah. it probably would have changed quite a bit for me. I just have the attitude, well what's happens, happened, you know, I just got to deal with it now and how I'm going to deal with it.

[00:09:41] Kristin: Yeah. I mean, I think we don't have a choice and it seems like even though sometimes the road maybe is a little bit longer, if you found what your calling is, then you've gotten there.

[00:09:51] Tracey: When I was always more creative as a child as well. I was making bookmarks and going around and selling them to the neighbors, just so I could buy makeup.

[00:09:59] Kristin: Did your family encourage that kind of creativity? or

[00:10:02] Tracey: My mom only found out when our next door neighbor told her a few months ago when they bumped into each other in the shops. And my mum was a bit sore. Oh my God. But I suppose I was always sort of making things being at home, I wasn't really allowed out much. So this was in the eighties, the only girl.

Um, if I went out, I had to be with my brothers and uh, yes, most of the time I was at home, probably studying, reading and making stuff.

[00:10:27] Kristin: It's funny you say that about going to the neighbors. Cause I remember at one point. I really wanted to go to Disney World. I mean, It's like, the kid's dream kind of thing. And I remember we had picked dandelions. They, we thought they were flowers. They're considered weeds, whatever, but we'd pick them from our front yard, from front garden.

And we were going door to door to the neighbors and asking them if they'd want to buy dandelions so that we could go on a family trip to Disney World. And this was all brought to a stop because one of the neighbors, I think I either walked across, or called my mom or something. It was like, do you know that Kristin and the girls are going selling dandelions?

[00:11:06] Tracey: Well, the funny thing for me is flowers. What else? Picking Z from my mom's God and all the neighbors golf themselves, walking along the boats. There's poppy buying their own flowers. Yeah.

[00:11:18] Kristin: Would you like to play a bookmark? Would you like to buy some of your own flowers? It's enterprising anyway. And obviously since you had your own business, at some point you were just

[00:11:27] Tracey: that's it. I was just sort of leading up.

[00:11:30] Kristin: As far as you said, it's going pretty smoothly, but tell me a little bit more about, just a day-to-day like what does somebody who's in special effects?

[00:11:38] Tracey: Oh, any every day is different. Um, props as well. So yesterday I was making a really long tongue for a film. And I also um, looking over at my work table, actually sitting there.

[00:11:55] Kristin: And I'm laughing because when we started, I apologize for the

mess behind me,

[00:11:58] Tracey: I laughed thinking you don't know what's on my table.

[00:12:01] Kristin: But this worked with behind me is my prop maker partners workstations. So I have a very good

idea what you're seeing.

[00:12:09] Tracey: So, um, yeah, I done the screen queen Danny's severed face. So that's, what's sitting on my table at the moment. so every day is different. I could be building a prop. If I'm on set that can be full on um, House of Zombies, one day we have about 20 zombies to do. And, you know, we did actually do quite well and done that quite quickly.

[00:12:31] Kristin: How many was on that team?

[00:12:33] Tracey: that day, there was only, I think it was just me and Alex.

[00:12:37] Kristin: You're doing 20 zombies. Is that makeup or makeup and prosthetics

[00:12:40] Tracey: most of the front ones will have prosthetics lucky enough people in the back will just have so you know, yes, it can be um, be challenging. When we done a different film, I had to kill me and Alex again, we had to kill everyone in the theater. So we had just this long line of people and we was just smothering them with blood. Cause you know, the camera's not going to pick them up as they're running out.

I just got blood on them. So that's them dumb, but main characters will have prosthetics on them.

[00:13:08] Kristin: One of the things I was reading about that you've been working on is edible prosthetics. I'm intrigued. Tell me

more.

[00:13:15] Tracey: yes,

We was filming The House of Zombies And someone put one of the fingers, one of the squishy ones in their mouth to looklike, you know, like bitten it off and sort of spat it out. I'm looking, I'm thinking I could actually make something which is going to taste a lot nicer and you know, you can eat. So I come home and I made the mold and I made some body parts out of chocolate.

[00:13:39] Kristin: And now are they just using it in the films so that they can take a big bite off something? Or now are you selling chocolate fingers?

[00:13:46] Tracey: it has literally gone from doing them for a film to now. People have asked me, can I buy them? And I've got a number of orders for ediblebody parts. I've actually got a press release next weekend, purely for edible body parts.

[00:14:00] Kristin: This, I don't know. It could be really disgusting. What body parts are people asking for? I need to know. I mean, I imagine there's some ears, some fingers, but there must be things that are a little bit

as well,

more

[00:14:12] Tracey: Yeah, you do get that. If you watch one of the videos on my YouTube channel I've done the cast and of Danny's face the conversation room. What seminars, texts, mold. And it's like, that's not going to work.

[00:14:28] Kristin: What do you use for the fake blood?

[00:14:29] Tracey: I've made my own. So that's just made from corn syrup and food coloring.

[00:14:36] Kristin: Does it taste?

[00:14:37] Tracey: I can make it tastes like orange or almonds or anything, or just plain. Plain is not good.

[00:14:45] Kristin: I love it. Oh, this is the delicious orange chocolate edible

[00:14:50] Tracey: Yeah. So I'll do a salted caramel II, which is a bit different. So I didn't tell the director what he was actually eating. I just gave him the answer. Tell me what you think. And he's like, this is really nice. So we've Cameron is, I can't believe I'm saying this. I mean, in an egg and it tastes sort of, so it sort of

[00:15:08] Kristin: Uh,

[00:15:08] Tracey: mind a bit as well, I suppose.

[00:15:10] Kristin: yeah, I love that though. Cause I mean, you know, you're used to like hardship chocolates. Here's a delicious, salted

caramel ear. Why not?

[00:15:17] Tracey: try to think of it,

[00:15:18] Kristin: Any Valentine's day

[00:15:20] Tracey: yes, I have um, on Facebook he's um, of civic older, his boyfriend. So that's been sent off to him. Yeah. I've got a number of people who want Valentine's take gifts there, just even the whole yeah, that's the big thing at the moment. The whole

[00:15:37] Kristin: like a medically realistic one. Yeah. I was like, I'm not picturing, I'm not picturing a

[00:15:43] Tracey: no,

This is the alternative Ballantine.

[00:15:48] Kristin: I like it. If you feel like it's too commercial over holiday, here's a

realistic heart

[00:15:53] Tracey: A broken one if you want.

[00:15:55] Kristin: Exactly. If things

[00:15:56] Tracey: Yeah.

[00:15:57] Kristin: here's a broken

one.

[00:15:58] Tracey: you know, you could do A brain for the brain surgeon. That's something you could send them if it's their first.

[00:16:05] Kristin: That would really mess with my mind literally and figuratively, I think.

[00:16:09] Tracey: Yeah.

[00:16:11] Kristin: So people just want their body parts,

[00:16:13] Tracey: There's a lot of people who've yes. What their body parts molded for different reasons.

[00:16:19] Kristin: I don't know I'm going down this road. Is it edible? Is it not edible? do they want to hang it on their wall?

[00:16:25] Tracey: a little bit of all of that and a little bit more.

[00:16:28] Kristin: Okay, interesting. Okay. Yeah. Now my mind's going, please.

[00:16:32] Tracey: so you could, some could ask for two feet for a certain reason and I'm going to leave it there and you'll have to think about it.

[00:16:40] Kristin: I think I'm too naive. I really

am going to have to

[00:16:43] Tracey: was.

[00:16:48] Kristin: Okay, I'm going to, I'm going to think on that one and probably have to ask someone. Is there anything that you've done that's been really empowering? I'm just thinking like what would be empowering and interesting and strong versus weird.

[00:17:00] Tracey: There is an lady who did ask about having her bust done as a showpiece in the garden. before she gets too old and they don't look as good as what she's paid from to look as good as.

[00:17:10] Kristin: Oh, yeah, but I like that, you know, this is a moment in time.

[00:17:14] Tracey: does she do have a lamp over here, which is a bust lamp, and I can actually make them, and I wouldn't mind making that for somebody if they wanted it. Cause I think they're quite nice. I'll just show you

[00:17:25] Kristin: Oh, yeah. That's not what I was expecting at all, but

[00:17:28] Tracey: It's pretty.

[00:17:28] Kristin: really cool.

[00:17:30] Tracey: So yeah, they're quite easy to make and that actually something nice to make for somebody.

[00:17:35] Kristin: And it does feel like that would be really empowering because it is like saying this is my body and, and actually I'd like the idea that it would be something that as you get older, hopefully keeping that confidence and saying, this was my body and this is my body now. And I don't know, it's like a, it's like a way cooler than photograph photograph

[00:17:52] Tracey: I think that I wish that I could have done that to me before I had children, because you know how much your body changes. I know you can look back and go, yeah.

[00:18:04] Kristin: But then I also, okay. We're going completely off track. I feel like. There is something that's really cool now to also say, this is my body it's been through, kidney difficulties. It's been through three kids. It's been through.

[00:18:17] Tracey: Well, funny I did save my 50th, which is next year. Semi stripped off because I'm really proud of my body. but now it's getting near the time. Is that

[00:18:28] Kristin: You can do it, make yourself a bust lamp of your 50. This is 50

bust. I like it. So as somebody who works on horror, actually my friend asked me to ask you this question, but I need to know what is your worst nightmare.

[00:18:44] Tracey: Oh, gosh, I used to have terrible nightmares as a child. always the same one, you know, you're running and you're looking behind and you've got something coming up and don't know how fast you're trying to run. It's still behind you. Yeah, that was my nightmare. As a child saying.

[00:19:01] Kristin: And did you like horror always

[00:19:04] Tracey: No. watch onto us that 14. I think it's because of the

nightmares. Yeah.

[00:19:10] Kristin: you probably shouldn't watch her until you're

released around 14,

[00:19:14] Tracey: people say to me, oh, I was such and such an Asian. I think that would have disturbed me for life watching it, as a younger child.

[00:19:23] Kristin: but once you were 14 of an age, that seems reasonable to let core, was it always the genre that you were interested?

[00:19:29] Tracey: um, Jason, I never watched, because I did catch a glimpse of that when I was younger, it scared me. so I sort of tend stay away from that. no, not really. Um, do, you know, the axes through the heads. I sort of fell into the horror and through, over locked down. So I do love horror, you know, I do like watching it.

but yeah, I do like zombies though, that's the thing. So I like see nation. I don't know if you've seen that.

And so, yeah, I like things like that more than horror. But I think that's purely because of the nightmares I had as a child, sort of, you know, really put me off until later on in life.

[00:20:08] Kristin: So, continuing this path, do you think it's something that you'll more try to go? I know at the moment you're scream queen,

So do you think you'll continue that route or would you rather get into Vikings? It's still horrific, but an accident.

[00:20:23] Tracey: Well, that's the thing I can go into lots of different anything, wherever there's anyone getting an accident.

ahead or shot or anything, especially pets cover such a wide variety of films. I do love the horror. The people are lovely. nicest people I've met. And you, I love horror so much and make horror films you think, you know, but they're not.

They're so nice. I just I'm really comfortable where I am at the moment.

[00:20:47] Kristin: Is it an industry that tends to be mostly women or is there, cause the beauty aspect that you talked about, I'm like, yeah, that stereotypically tends to be women, but as far as horror and special effects in that way, prop making all of that.

[00:21:02] Tracey: It's a very male dominated area. it always has been, but there's more and more women coming through into the industry now.

[00:21:08] Kristin: Is it something that you think has hindered you at all? As far as it being a male dominated injury.

[00:21:14] Tracey: Obviously, There's lots of men and there's only sort of a few women within the industry Um, they're not really too many on this side. Um, it would be nice if more women it's just them coming through, you know, we have children and it's waiting for the right time.

And this was a lot of my thing, having children so young, you can't just get up and leave them and go off on set for a few weeks. But from then you so much. Unless you've got support your partner behind you, who says, yeah. Okay. You're going to feel stupid. So that's sort of, what's me so long waiting for Harrison to get to an age where, he's 14 now.

my middle son is 22. They can stay at home and now I know that they're okay. My oldest son is around the corner and I can go off for 10 days and not worry. Come back to a load of washing up.

[00:22:02] Kristin: Come on Tracy. I think you trained them better. They should be washing

[00:22:06] Tracey: I know but the thing is, I think that's the one area I did skip on. It's like, you know, I don't want to put my hands in the ball. Come on.

[00:22:13] Kristin: Now I do think, a lot of the women I talk to it's, whether it was that they had children young or whether it was, just other difficulties with family and I do feel like some of these industries, especially that are more male dominate. Part of that reason is because, we just weren't given the opportunity or, whether it's being told you weren't allowed to it, wasn't for you.

Or whether it's, I just couldn't not have family care responsibilities, whereas yes. A lot of times that wasn't the case for.

[00:22:42] Tracey: Yeah. I eighties. When I was at school, looking at leaving school, you know, you go around to the career, people in each one, you go to, no, this is for men. This is for men. This is for men. I was five foot, two very small. And you know, they'd be like, no, you can't do this job. Why can't I, that's always been my attitude.

I can do it if I want. with this, it's just, I'm doing it, you know? And that's it.

[00:23:06] Kristin: As far as what you're working on now, tell me a bit more about besides the giant long tongue, what else is going on right now?

[00:23:12] Tracey: there's lots going on. I'm filming video towels, terror. You've got one segment in Rockford, and then I got the segment to do with Johnny. And that's her, film.

[00:23:25] Kristin: on you. Keep you keep referring

to Danny.

[00:23:27] Tracey: She said, practice. She's the screen queen. Johnny Thompson. And she, you, in most of the horror films I've worked on, everyone wants standing in a film. They feel because sells their film. yeah, I'm lucky enough to multicast her face last weekend. I've turned them into a horror mouse and I'm doing a throat for her pill. That's going to be quite good.

[00:23:50] Kristin: So as far as the tower of terror thing you were talking about what's that? Tell me more

[00:23:54] Tracey: Um, the short tells a terror it's six different stories. so different directors who I've worked for have all done a little short story for this. I say um, you know, that sort of style and it's just so good. It's been so much fun working on. We've had . I've done all the special effects on him.

I can't tell you too much about that.

Johnny's on there. yeah, so there's lots of different, is it simple production? It's hard to talk about.

I've got another film coming up where they won't drop it's an arm and that the lady who's doing that thing. She does fire tricks.

So she's going to show me how to set myself on file.

[00:24:37] Kristin: As you do.

[00:24:38] Tracey: Yes. I'm going to self with my hand and if I can cope with that, I might go a little bit more. different kind of special effect.

[00:24:47] Kristin: Yeah, my friend actually UN fellow actor friend was learning, fire, eating for a show. And I just was like, how does one just, start learning, but I guess it's the kind of the same thing, you start with a smaller body

part and once there's a level of comfort there.

[00:25:05] Tracey: It was a very interesting conversation last weekend with her. She sent me, she has whips and she sort of swells them around and they're on fire and I'm just like, wow, that's so cool.

[00:25:15] Kristin: that wouldn't work for me. I'm like, yeah, there's a lot of fire, very close to my body. I think I'm okay.

[00:25:20] Tracey: I'm just sort of with it. I'm like, Yeah. I've got to give this a go and going to.

[00:25:24] Kristin: I guess if somebody said, do you want to learn? I'd be like, oh, okay.

Exactly. As far as getting work, I think. I know how it works, with acting work, getting it or not. But how do you, is it just because you've worked with these same people and you've cast their face before, or you've worked with them. Does that continue to lead to more projects?

[00:25:44] Tracey: Yeah, it does.

It does Um, see my work. so I've filmed pest last weekend. Coming up. I don't know, saying they see my work on line and how they think it's so good. And So.

it's just itching my words, getting out and getting more people contacting me on different stuff, on different fields, props, edibles.

And yes, I haven't actually chased a job. work has come, is quite

good.

[00:26:13] Kristin: That's the dream, isn't it? Like somebody sees that it's good. Another person wants it. I You just

[00:26:18] Tracey: Yeah. And that's how it's been since. Oh, so this time, last year, it really sort of stay immediately say.

[00:26:26] Kristin: If you're going to seek out the next project what would be the next dream project?

[00:26:30] Tracey: to work on one of the big movies Mobile, would it be good? maybe if I came one would be good, something, you know, the next sort of step out and that been meaning being part of the team. so it Something different, but yeah that's, that's my next step up in the next big.

[00:26:45] Kristin: Yeah. Something where there's, like you said, it's a team. What kind of size team are we talking about? I'm just having a vision of how many zombies that would be, or how many

[00:26:54] Tracey: A lot. Yeah. It could be quite a big team that's where things change and that's where I need to think, It wouldn't be so much being part of a team like that. The prostates come in a new private people's stuff, you know, so it's a little bit different. but yeah, I still want to try it. I still didn't give it a go.

[00:27:13] Kristin: What kind of learnings do you think would you have on that kind of stuff? Like when you work with other people creatively, there's always something

[00:27:21] Tracey: Yeah, you've done a lot. Everyone's got different styles, you know, ways of how they do their mold in their casting. And it's nice to work with other people because you learn a lot more people are using and you might think, oh, I might want to change my material a bit because it's now. So it's different.

There's all different.

reasons. And it's nice just for me just to learn. I like learning.

[00:27:44] Kristin: So I always ask for a quote, did you bring a quote for me to.

[00:27:48] Tracey: Do you know, I don't really have a lot of stuff. What I think it's what my mom had always sort of said to me, growing up, don't cry over spilled Sticks and stones will break your bones and, you know, things like to me, It's just all about treat people how you want to be treated.

know, if you're good to me, I'm good to you. And about it.

[00:28:09] Kristin: I think that's probably about the most life lesson kind of quote that we need. So

[00:28:14] Tracey: yeah. It's just a quote. Let's just all be.

[00:28:18] Kristin: I actually saw this woman this morning and I could tell we were about to go down a road. We started having a slightly political conversation, which was probably a bad idea since she was just, in the coffee shop, we were chatting for a second and I was like, oh, we don't need a political conversation.

But she had a sweatshirt on that said be kind. And I was like, we can both agree on that. So I'm just going to

leave at that, it was like be kind, you be

kind.

Yeah.

And

[00:28:38] Tracey: we need. Yeah. Just be kind to each other.

[00:28:44] Kristin: And if there's anything that you haven't said that you'd want people listening to hear, whether it's about, your own journey or what you would encourage people.

[00:28:53] Tracey: I just life is hard at times we get really bad calls and, know, just, if he wants to say it, you just go, keep going for it. Just keep working and working hard and you'll get. Eventually,

[00:29:05] Kristin: I needed that today. I was having a moment of, wanting to give up on something and I just was like, I know I'm not ready to give up yet.

[00:29:13] Tracey: no, I never give up. I always see tomorrow is So you can start

[00:29:17] Kristin: sometimes when you're having the worst possible time, it is just sleep on it.

[00:29:21] Tracey: Yeah. Times at times to hear for things, you know, that's one of my dad's favorite Yeah. I just think chin up, you know, get on with it. keep fighting and just don't let things get you down.

[00:29:34] Kristin: Obviously it's worked for you 11 years after being told you had

[00:29:38] Tracey: Yeah. I'm just fighting on and on and just, yeah,

[00:29:46] Kristin: yeah, I was going to ask you a few ever, are worried because you were told that and you have your boys and everything, but it seems like now, You're in the clear,

so

[00:29:55] Tracey: obviously, you know, the first few years it's quite difficult, you know, and then thinking that, you know, I could go. we have good sense of humor in my house. You know, we laugh about things then that's how we sort of get through things.

[00:30:08] Kristin: Yeah, if you can't laugh

about

it,

[00:30:11] Tracey: this is it, but you're going to

sit there and cry. So you might as well just laugh about it. You know, I lost to show and I just want to enjoy it be happy.

[00:30:22] Kristin: Yeah. Well, I'm glad you found the very gruesome thing that seems to make

you

very

[00:30:28] Tracey: It does make me so happy. I know it's strange. It really does make me happy.

[00:30:33] Kristin: Thank you for coming and sharing your story with me. I really appreciate it. And best of luck with everything, it sounds like you're going places. So I'll make sure that people know where they can find you and see some of your beautifully gory work.

[00:30:45] Tracey: Yes. Thank you.

[00:30:48] Kristin: Thank

[00:30:48] Tracey: You're welcome.

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